Sunday, July 3, 2016

Round 3 Day 2

Once the night was dark, a certain person returned to a certain phone booth-like transportation device to grab some supplies. The aforementioned person set out again, towards the center of town. They peeked into a window and nodded. Their services would not be needed today.

Upon returning home, Snow Stormberg, Doctor, immediately noticed something was amiss. Her TARDIS was sending distress signals across the space-time continuum, and the air conditioning was adjusted three degrees lower than she liked it.

"Who's there?" she called.

A masked Mafia member appeared from the shadows. "So good to see you."

Snow scowled. "You've made the TARDIS upset. What do you have to say for yourself?"

"I think I'll turn the question around to you. What do you have to say? These will be your last words, after all."

"I will always remember when the Doctor was me."

The Mafia member nodded. "That'll do." They pulled out a gun and fired three times. Just. Like. That.

Snow blinked and she was dead.

It is now DAY 2! 
Comment moderation has been turned off, and results are being emailed out. You can now use this post to talk and figure out who is suspicious. You're welcome to share information if you have it, but be aware that if you reveal yourself as a powerful role, you could be the next target.

There are 5 people left, so a hanging would need a 3-vote majority. As in the previous game, there will be a 24-hour "trial phase," to give the accused time to defend themselves.

If you vote, please type the word "castvote" in your comment so I can use Control-F

To vote, type "unvote"

To revote, type "castvote" again but with a different player's name.

YOU HAVE UNTIL JULY 5th AT 7PM PACIFIC TIME (3AM on the 6th in the UK)

92 comments:

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

No snow! Dammit now we've lost the doctor! And if we don't lynch someone today we're as good as dead..

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Especially because now we have no protection courtesy of the doctor.

..wait how the heck was snow the doctor twice in a row?!

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

'Cause the roles were randomly generated. If like four people had the same roles as a previous game, I'd generate new role assignments, but if I were to make sure nobody had a role they'd gotten before, it wouldn't be random anymore, which wouldn't be fair.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Ah okay, fair enough.

Star Inkbright said...

I was roleblovked again. Suggests the hidden mafia is an evil roleblocker. Not too useful though.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

If you aren't lying then the hidden Mafia is a roleblocker. That is if you aren't lying.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

And if you aren't lying then Taia and Raven are the Mafia since me and Dug are twins.

Even if you are lying either Taia or Raven and the Mafia.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Castvote Taia




Sorry Taia.

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

Jai and I really are the twins.

Which is also how we knew the role blocker was an evil one, not just some townie making a mistake.


castvote Taia

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

@Jai remember what I said about Taia and her comments about Star yesterday..? Idk, I'd agree to Taia but I'm not sure about Star or Raven yet.

And really, what is here to be sure about in this game?

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

Castvote Jai.

Sorry guys, but you two are not the twins - Raven and I are.

Which means Jai and Duggyln must be mafia.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

Remembering that it was Jai who accused both Star and Snow respectively of being mafia - we were discussing this over night phase. Didn't know about Dugglyn, though.

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

NO

STAR


ITS JAI AND I

REALLY

did you see how quiet Raven is being?? If she were one of the twins she'd have nothing to loose by commenting and helping. She has not helped try and find the Mafia once. And Taia didn't comment until I mentioned how quiet she was being. She said she was doing something that day, but notice how fast she replied as soon as I said that? It seems to me she was lurking and waiting because any comment she makes could be the one the one that makes her seem guilty. Now, after the fact Jai and I told you guys we were the twins Taia came out and said she and Raven were the twins, which for Star it may be hard to decide who to trust but now Jai and I know the other Mafia member is Raven.

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

Also, sure Taia made "helping" comments but they just kinda reiterated what Jai and I already said (notice how much we tried to help? The Mafia members do not what to make too many comments because they could accidentally hint at something) and it was pretty vague. Also, something about killing Kaden first struck me as Taia's style and Raven has just been way to quiet.

The only reason Raven would have been so quiet the first round was because she had an important role, such as the doctor. The twins aren't super important to the town so if she was one of the twins she wouldn't have stayed so quiet. I understand not giving out your role (because Jai and I didn't) but staying that quiet? Doesn't make a ton of sense, especially now we know that Snow (RIP D:) was the doctor.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...
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Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Accusing Star originally was a logical move, after all the only game I'd previously played with her she kept her identity hidden until near the end so it seemed brash for her to announce it on the first day hence the accusation.
And I said with Snow that it was gut instinct and that it was likely based on the fact that she hadn't been the Mafia in earlier rounds.

Also, if I knew you could be the same role in two games in a row why would I have been so incredulous at Snow being the doctor once again?

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

Please don't start debating about what I would or wouldn't have allowed. I'm not going to say anything that would give people away (unless I really mess up or something). I stuck with exactly what the random generator gave me, and because we only have one kind of cop, the rolelist is different enough from previous games that I can't imagine a scenario where I would have deviated from it.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...
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Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Sorry Fabi

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

It's ok, I hadn't made it a rule before now, I just think the game would be better if y'all focused on each other rather than me.

Here are the parts of your comment that I removed that didn't mention me, because technically I broke one of my own rules there by removing it.

"Well, that answers the question of if star was lying or not.

I can't say much other than what Dug has said..

I know you haven't got anything to base this on except for our word against theirs and the evidence Dug has provided but we're telling the truth."

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

I know it's our word against their word Star, and that its your choice to decide who to side with.

All I beg of you is think carefully. Depending on who you lynch depends on who wins now. If you lynch a townie then the mafia will have to majority vote next round and somehow I don't think they're going to vote to lynch each other.
If you lynch a Mafia then the townies will still have the majority vote and you'll know who the other Mafia member is.

Please, vote wisely.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Ah, thank you for posting the rest of my comment.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Wait.. Fabi it's July the 3rd today?

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

Oops. I left that from the previous night phase. You have until the 5th at 7am pacific time or 24 hours after the vote reaches a majority.

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

*7pm Pacific time

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

So that's 3am on the 6th GMT

Raven Astracae said...

OMG

NOOOO
TAIA AND I ARE THE TWINS

STAR
JAI AND DUGGLYN ARE THE MAFIA
The reason why I was so "quiet" was because I was asleep. The day ended at like 11pm and I have a sewing club to go to today so I had to go to bed at a reasonable time.
Also, I commented about the same times and Snow did last time.
Jai and Dugglyn have clearly settlled on a plan to say the most things so they could pull this out at the last minute. And god, I gotta say, you two have played smart, setting me up by killing one of my best friends to start putting suspicion in my direction.
Then accusing Snow and Star but not us, because you were planning to frame us later. Taia and I weren't saying much, because coming out with any information gets you killed in this game, so we wouldn't do it

Also when you say you were 'helping the town' by making so much noise and accusing Snow and Star but all you did was buy yourself some time. And imagine if, in a defence Snow had revealed she was the doctor, then you wouldn't have been helping town, you would've been benefitting yourself by using random accusations to get a better feel for the roles on who to kill.

You've done the numbers Jai, you know that if you can manage to lynch one of the townies you'll win and that's obviously why you've claimed twins when it's actually Taia and I. And claiming first or fastest means nothing when the timezones are like they are.

We discussed this last night, if Star was roleblocked she was Cop which would make Jai and Dugglyn mafia because we're TWINS.

castvote Jai

Raven Astracae said...

Also as for the comments on day 2 which is something that's got to me, there was only two bits of information that we were given. Star claimed cop, Kaden was a busbody. So then, on that day, Taia and I knew the roleblocker was evil because there were no more hidden town members left.
So what am I supposed to say? accuse someone based on who they killed, because that seems an awful lot like a system wrought with danger. A system, that holds corruption at the core. You guys killed Kaden, maybe because you didn't know him or something, or maybe, knowing that you have played this game very smart so far, you killed him with the intentions of pinning it on me because we're closest.

Even now, when we're at what is 'the final hour' you're still accusing Star of maybe being the mafia, when, if you were the real twins, you'd be fine admitting that the mafia had an evil roleblocker. But, you are the mafia, and you're not comfortable that information taken straight up because it gives us some information on you, the mafia.

The defence you have is perfectly crafted, like you spent nights, planning your actions around the big moment. Kill Kaden and I'm in the line of fire, accuse two people in the day, (both of which you targeted that night) and after putting suspicion in our minds about both Star and myself, you accuse the last townie that's left.
On top of that you've got this back-up story about how we didn't comment enough, but Star commented less than anyone but now since you two have claimed twins, I know for certain (even though I pretty much thought it anyway before) that she is a cop. So commenting less does not in any way prove your guilt.

I've been making this defence up on the run, because to be honest, at night Taia and I were talking about trying to find out the mafia, not, how to make a good defence to the other townies so that the mafia doesn't get you lynched.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Yes me and Dug were talking at night.
We were discussing what to do the next day and how to figure out who the Mafia was and lynch the correct two people to mean that the we, fhe townies, win the game. We've hardly been plotting everyone's demises.

And yes, I have done the maths, it's what I do when I'm in a competition, I do maths to work out my odds of winning. I did it my first game, I did it my second game and I've done it my third game.

Taia and you have not only remained quiet but as a group you've barely talked or interacted with each other, almost as if you're trying to avoid any connection to each other so that if one of you did go down the other wouldn't go with her, but after me and Dug have revealed our roles as the twins you've been forced to pretend that you are in fact the twins in question.

Raven Astracae said...

We've "barely talked or interacted with each other" because we literally live on opposite sides of the globe. I'm not online when Taia is most of the time, I can not help that. I can not help that when we were matched up as twins we had an unfortunate time zone difference, teh fact that you and Dug agree to everything the other goes the exactly same way if that's the point you're making. One of you makes a point and the other agrees, but the only points you've made have been accusing townies...of course you're going to agree to lynch a townie, you're the mafia for christ's sake.

And by "revealed [your] roles", I'm sure you meant claimed and I say that with the connotations that it was false.

The point is, you seem to have a pretty well rehearsed defence like you planned to 'reveal' as the twins and do it first so that the real townies were on the back foot the whole time.

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

Also, we suspected Star and Snow, yes. Because we honestly thought it could have been them. like Jai said, in the last game Star didn't reveal her role until much later so it was kind of odd she revealed it so soon. Snow was just a gut feeling that turned out to be wrong. Tbh I thought Raven might be the doctor but when Taia said you guys were the twins I knew you were the Mafia.



Also, adding onto Jai's comment, we revealed we were the twins early today because we wanted to draw the Mafia out of hiding. Because in order to not obviously be the Mafia they would have to be the twins and reveal both members. Tbh we also didn't know for sure it was Taia until she claimed to be twins with Raven because if she was the cop it wouldn't have helped her at all because the other person would have been confused and though she was the Mafia.

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

Jai and I did plan this all out last night. We went through hypothetical situations. One of them being: what if Snow died?
This is what I said

Um, hmm. I think if Snow gets killed we should see what other people have to say about their roles. Star should have something to say, though I guess she could (say she got)/(get) role blocked again. Also, if snow got killed we would get her role and see if she was the cop or the doctor. If she was the cop, see what Star has to say (she'll probably say she was the doctor) but make sure to also see what other people say about their roles. Most likely, if Snow actually was the cop and Star was the Doctor, Star wouldn't have said she's the cop because that makes her a target. So hang Star. The other person I'd suspect would be Raven but I don't want to completely forget Taia because of what happened the first game. It's very easy to lie over text because you can't tell people's emotions as well. Look for any signs someone might be giddy or nervous. Before I won I was freaking out and had a ton of energy. While it's not hard to hide that over the Internet it still might be a clue. Tbh it's easier if Snow is killed XD

Raven Astracae said...

So what? Because we didn't have plans outlining every single possible role that a person could be and how to combat them? That doesn't mean anything. The thing is, Dugglyn, the mafia needs plans. The mafia needs alibis. The mafia needs an excuse for every single situation.

Townies do not need plans. Townies, roll with the punches and work with the information they get from day to day. Townies, have not got 16 back-up plans for every outcome.

That piece of text proves nothing anyway, you could have easily typed that out to make it look like you had a back up plan...or even posted it in the mafia chat for later.

And of course we're going to claim the twins after you did because we are the twins. What? You think we'd just sit around like "ahhhh, gosh darn, them mafia gone and dunnit, claiming our roles, better just sit and let em lynch the townies so the mafia wins. first in best dressed" Like c'mon, we claimed because we are the twins.

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

Townies actually have to plan more than Mafia, in my opinion. Just because the Mafia have to come up with excuses depending on what townies say, but townies need to catch the Mafia quickly. Though I think that idea is more personal and varies from game to game.


And yes, I know. I know I can't prove it but at least it's something and it shows the thought process of our plans. Well, some of them.


Ah but see, you're not the twins and by claiming you gave away both of you. If Raven had just claimed to be a cop, sure Taia might have died, but at least the Mafia would still be up and they might have a chance to win. But claiming to be the "real" twins also seems to be helping you because poor Star has to choose between the sides, one of them letting her and the townies win, the other dooming us all (except Taia and Raven)
It would have worked even better for Jai and I if we were the Mafia. One of us could have easily claimed to be the real cop or something and framed Star and we could have won.
But of course we didn't kill anyone because we're the twins. ^^ that just kinda says how it wouldn't have made sense for us to just claim to be the twins.

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

Welp, good luck Star XD


Raven Astracae said...

Exactly my point. If Taia and I were the mafia, why would we both claim, we're not silly enough or heroic enough to go down together. The fact that Taia and I claimed the twins is more evidence towards us. After you 'revealed' yourself as twins, if we were mafia, wouldn't we claim to be busybodies or something and actually frame you with cold hard evidence. It's ridiculous to think that the mafia would claim an already taken role.
Taia and I did not claim to make Stars job harder, Taia and I claimed to call out the mafia (Jai and Dugglyn) so that the town would win. I don't think the mafia has won a game yet and we're not about to let that happen just because the mafia claimed our roles first.

Raven Astracae said...

Scratch that, Dugglyn won as Mafia before and she's trying to do it again.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Look enough! Stop arguing now. Raven and Taia are going to continue insisting that they're the twins and me and dug aren't about to lie about being the twins so at this stage let's just be quite and give Star the time and space she needs to read our comments, both from this day cycle and the last one, and come to her own decision. You can continue arguing in the 24 hour trial period after either me or Taia have reached a majority vote and try change her mind then but right now we may as well be quiet and let Star have time to think.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

Thanks, Jai. I'm kind of glad somebody said that because being more of a run away from arguments person than a join in the argument kind of person, it would have been hard for me to get involved in that scramble. :P

THat said, I'd like to put in a word or two in our defence - because I'm aware that a) being quiet so far seems to be fudging me as something I'm not, and I'd like to try to clear one or two things up; and that b) Raven's done most of the reasoning so far today and given that it was me who revealed her role, it wouldn't be fair of me not to add my say now. Please bear with me.

So first thing's first - I went back to check day 1, and- if 40 minutes later is a fast reply then I might be a better conversationalist than I ever thought? :P

And I mean, I can appreciate that I haven't been very talkative but. I am not very talkative - I'm not sure that's a huge leap for mankind or copkind or twinkind or any kind tbh?? That’s just my personality.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

As for avoiding each other, I can only reiterate the timezones situation. When I commented on day 1 I think around 4-5pm on Friday(?) - and please correct me if I'm wrong here - that's around 1-2am for Raven. So I kinda hope she wasn't awake to communicate with me then because imho rest & health > mafia game, y'all. :)
ANd that figures - since our roles have been revealed, we're still not here at the same time?? Obviously we didn't particularly want to give away that we were twins so early, but I think it's safe to say, I don't think our timing is relevant.
But-- if that's not quite enough, I'll also add that I think I actually only spoke directly to Dugglyn, Star, and Raven on FRiday. If I've been avoiding anyone, it looks like it must have been Jai and Snow?? :/

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Thanks for not arguing. After all we have 24 hours after star votes one of us to our death to try and change her mind, we may as well be quiet for a bit now and let her think.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

We couldn't realistically reveal that we were twins yet, because that would screw the whole town. If there's only one or both of us twins, doc and cop remaining, sharing a twin role would also reveal who could be doc/cop, and the mafia would have 100% chance of hitting either of the most useful remaining roles next night.
We didn't plan for the eventuality that the doctor dies, but that seems to me personally to be an even worse time for the real twins to come out - because that tells the mafia for sure who the cop is? I'm new to this town, though, so that might be some jolly poor thinking on my part, idk.
But in any case, all that seemed to change kinda drastically when Jai and Dugg claimed twinhood (which. I hope you're cool that I revealed your role too btw, Raven. Couldn't rreally see an alternative and it seemed kinda urgent?)

And honestly, I'm not sure I'd have shared my twin role at all if I could see another way - so certainly not if I were mafia. It seems like a bit of a failing to come out together in this town unless you can absolutely help it.
Why pretend to be twins? Why not claim to be a roleblocker or something, means if one goes down, the other isn't with them. For the mafia responding to a twin revelation, isn't this kind of nonsensical?

Sorry if I fired anything up again, here. Good luck, Star.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

(Sorry, didn't see ya there, Jai. I'll shut up now. :P)

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

I said I wouldn't argue.

I'd just like to point out the same would still apply to me and Dug, why would we pretend to be the twins?

And if you look back on how me and Dug acted as the Mafia then you might be able to see that we aren't the Mafia this time and that we aren't lying.

Raven Astracae said...

To whom it may concern,

Just to let you know, I'm shutting down this tab now because I'm getting ready for bed.

If I seem very quiet or do not respond to your queries, it is because I am with the Sandman.

Thank-you and goodnight.

Yours Sincerely,
Raves

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

(I guess because if you're coming out as twins FIRST, you're in control of the situation? I kind of erased this bit from my last comment because I was blabbering and it was kind of just speculation. If you wanted to draw out the other two townies, taking two individual roles means that anyone could think anyone is guilty, especially if the other two aren't twins. If you wanted the last two townies to BOTH appear guilty, you needed to make yourselves twins. One's an offensive move, and one's a defensive move. Or at least, that's all I can put together.)

(Sorry)

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

Sleep well, Raven. ^^

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

I thought you said you were going to stop arguing.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

I was asking rhetorical questions for Star to answer to make sure she actually asked the question.

But if you'd rather answer it then.. Well.

Maybe the reason you came out as twins is because you panicked, you hadn't expected me and Dug to reveal our role so you did the first thing that sprung to mind, as a novice Mafia you thought short term and countered our claim with the same claim.
Or perhaps you thought about it and decided that if you came out as twins second you could argue that it would be illogical to come out as twins if you were the Mafia, therefore trying to focus the blame on me and Dugglyn.
Maybe you came out as the twins because you thought that both of you coming out as roleblockers for example would A) be too close to the truth for one of you and B) would be suspicious because if so why didn't one of you block the Mafia.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

And of course you couldn't say you were busybodies because there's only one hidden Mafia member and theyve been roll blocking Star so you have no excuse for having no results.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

Hey, please don't get passive-aggressive or sarcastic with me for responding to a question. We all know rhetoric is difficult to read online - I made a mistake. :/

For what it's worth:
-We've already established that the mafia have to plan for every eventuality, because they're guilty and they need to look innocent.
-'Lets do the stupid thing on the off chance that it's a bit less stupid than we thought' is probably well below the intelligence of both groups here - I don't know about anyone else, but I feel we could all do better than that. And I don't think the mafia would rely on the other twins to come out first, anyway?
-Coming out as a roleblocker seems easiest to work with for an evil roleblocker, to me? In fact... you could even admit to roleblocking Star because you still reckon she's mafia. The closer to the truth, the easier it is to lie about as far as I can tell. If the other was a busybody, they could say they got roleblocked both nights, too. Hell, I'm beginning to wish I had been mafia, now - I like this plan. :P


BUt look, I appreciate that I probably started this and I'm sorry. I don't think throwing random speculations about here is going to get us anywhere, because I feel like there's any number of explanations and even more flaws with them?? I can't come up with anything resolute, and I know there's no evidence against us. So I don't think we can get anywhere like this. Again, I know I started it and again, I'm sorry.

((I don't like to spend more than three hours on a game at one time, and I also don't like to argue because it makes people feel bad, so I'm gonna head out, now. Hope I haven't upset anyone. Have a nice day, guys.))

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

You're right, I'm sorry. That was a bit passive-aggressive. Just got a tad annoyed that people continued arguing and through that ended up arguing more.

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

I could close the comments and have Star vote like she's submitting a night action.

Plus side--no more arguing, also more dramatic + fun to write for me

Minus side--Star can't ask people questions, if you think of another defense, you can't post it.

I am willing to do this if at least three people think it's best.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Would you reopen it for the 24hour trial period?

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

[Nods]

Yeah, good idea. That would leave time for the questions and additional defense statements.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

In which case in okay with that because then Star can still ask questions.

Star Inkbright said...

Fuck you all. XD

(Sorry. School + sleep = long periods of time where I'm not on the Mafia blog).

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Love you star xD Sorry for the position you've been put in.

Star Inkbright said...

Love you too. XD Don't worry, it's all good fun.

*starts trying to determine the liars* Look if my deduction skills fail here I'm going tobhave to toss a coin, hope you guys know that. XD

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Oh god xD Brilliant plan but please try and come to a decision without using a coin.

Star Inkbright said...

Right, Snow is gone. Jaden is gone. If you're the Mafia, there's three townies left.

If two of them are twins (which is a likely deduction. After I was rokebloxked the second time, I assumed they were twins), then by claiming you ARE the twins, you are alerting 67% of the towns to the fact you're lying. That's a majority vote.
It doesn't make sense for Jai and Dugg to do that, assuming they're at leaat semi-intelligent and did a bit of planning (both of which I believe are true). Also, Jai was surprised at Snow being the doctor twice. Yeah she could have been lying, but it seems like a lot of effort to put that little bit of deception in.

If Taia and Raven are the Mafia . . . Jai and Dugglyn are already turned against you, so you have not much to lose by claiming you're the twins and have a chance of gaining Star's vote. A 50/50 chance is better than no chance.
50/50 seems risky though. As an optimist, I'd be unlikely to go for it, but if you were more realistic, you might do.

*goes upbto read the comments again in case there's anything I missed*

Star Inkbright said...

Right for some reason it feels really like Jai and Dugg are lying, but I just don't think they'd be stupid enough to turn 67% of the majority against them when it could be avoided. I mean they could stay quiet and leave the townies to flounder and possibly hang one of ourselves, whereas by doing this they've incriminated themselves.

Yeah sorry. :P

Also Raven saying townies don't have to plan. Ahem OF YOU'D BEEN A TOWNIE I THINK YOU'D KNOW THAT YES WE DOOO. :P She does feel like she's telling the truth though . . .

Also I don't blame Jai for being suspicious of me because I mean I acted suspiciously.

. . .
Hmm.

Star Inkbright said...

Right I'm going to leave it a little while (not long! I apologise for how long you've had to waitbalready :() and if I still have faithbin my conclusion I'll vote for Taia.

Star Inkbright said...

castvote Taia

If this is wrong I'm really really sorry. XD I tried!!

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

After everyone stared at Star for about an hour, the vote was in, and Taia DeMars was escorted into the square, where a makeshift gallows had been made out of recycled materials to replace the one that had burned down.

Henry guarded her while she and others had one last chance to defend herself,

THE VOTE WILL LOCK IN 24 HOURS. DURING THAT TIME, YOU MAY STILL CHANGE YOUR VOTES. HOWEVER, THE ONLY PEOPLE ELIGIBLE FOR VOTING ARE THE PEOPLE WITH AT LEAST ONE VOTE: TAIA AND JAI. YOU CAN ALSO UNVOTE ENTIRELY, BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE SMART, AS THE MAFIA WOULD WIN THAT WAY.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

Star nooooo you're going t die :(

We did a lot of thinking but had so little information, there wasn't much we COULD plan with yet. All we knew was that each of us were innocent, there were no more hidden townies, and Star may or may not be cop. We had 4 people and 4 roles and 4x3x2 = 24 different combinations. Are you saying you guys would plan for 24 outcomes? And then each of those, you'd have to think about who's likely to die in each and how might other people act? Hell, even if we were in the same time zone I don't think we'd have time for that.
All we had was that Jai had done a bit of finger pointing, and Dugg had done a bit of agreeing, Star acted suspiciously and god only knew about Snow. I had a hunch that she might be townie, because of her ref to the 'other two' townies being twins - but she could have been trying to look like a townie by referring to herself as one, of course (we did think Snow would be a good plotting type mafioso). There might have been an evil roleblocker, but only if Star wasn't lying. All of you could basically be anything. And assuming the mafia killed (because why wouldn't they?), if we made a total stab in the dark based on our hunches and were WRONG we'd either lynch a townie or maybe let the mafia know who to kill next time - either way dooming us and our fellow remaining townsperson. All we could do was see what came out today.
I can understand that you've got more to plan if you're a cop or a doctor, but without any night action to provide or gain information from... Idk how you can expect us to plan responsibly or indeed well, based on so little?? :/

I didn't notice Star having a defence planned if anyone questioned her cophood - why would we plan for somebody claiming our twinhood?

Raven Astracae said...

Oh my heavens Star, please tell me you're not doing this.

I swear the most frustrating thing about being a townie is knowing that you're a townie and the rest don't believe you. Like an almost physical pain in your heart as your pray that they'll believe you because if they don'y you'll lose to two (very experienced, very well played) damn mafia members.

What I'm saying is that you just did the math, why would we come out as twins after someone else already had if we weren;t the real twins. If we were the mafia we could have claimed anything else and actually framed the crap out of Jai and Dugglyn. But we have no moves, we have no night actions, the only information we really had was Star might be a cop, Snow denies and claims nothing, Jai points fingers, Dugglyn subtly points similar fingers. I don't know how to plan for that.
(Also taking into account that Taia and I are not really confrontational people, why would we create it by claiming twins.)

You say because Dugglyn and Jai claim first their claim is more sound, which I get, but timezones man, people will come on before others.

I'm not going to be upset if you end up lynching Taia anyway, but I just really, really, really want the town to win. Like so bad.
Please do not lynch a townie just because she didn't come online fast enough.

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

Don't worry Star (though I know it's hard not to because they are doing a good job of pretending they're the twins!), Taia and Raven are the Mafia and you made the right choice for the town to win.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

"Very experienced, very well played Mafia members"
Dude.
The one time I've been a Mafia member I crashed and burned so hard that me and Lav killed one person out of seven in four nights. I got so stressed the entire game finished early because I couldn't cope with it so I decided I'd just hang myself at the same time as Lav because I didn't want to have to wait another night just to be told that I was going to be lynched the next day. I am not good at being a mafia member, trust me. And I wouldn't call one failed attempt at being the Mafia "very experienced".

And yes, the most frustrating thing about being a townie is knowing you're a townie, knowing who the mafia is and having fingers pointed at you anyway even though you know you're right. Thankfully Star thought it through carefully and is pointing her finger in the right direction. I just hope she sticks to her guns and doesn't change her vote to me and hand us townies over to you two to be killed.

Star Inkbright said...

Sorry, I'm not changing my mind.

If I've got it wrong I'm really sorry though! It's entirely possible that I have!

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

*plays clich├ęd prisoner harmonica*

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

It seems a bit risky but, haven't both Jai and Dugglyn had the advantage of having been town and mafia in previous games? I know Jai didn't fall in love with her last mafia role, that's fair, but Dugg nailed it, and between them they've still got the experience of knowing how it works from both sides of the table - they know how best to make their persuasion appeal to another townie, and what said townie might base a decision on (I didn't realise you guys were so into statistics??); and they have an insight into how the other two might respond - which they can then build a defence against.
And it didn't matter if they turned 67% of the remaining townies against them because that 67% is only 2/5 of the whole town - they only needed to persuade one person -- Which they clearly are capable of doing because a) they're an intelligent duo, and b) mate, they succeeded.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

And there's nothing to say Jai couldn't be surprised about Snow being doctor -- like if they had decided she was hidden town. And--- and oh man, wouldn't that make this a backup plan? Does that explain why it looks so dodgy?

Raven said herself that the mafia needed 16 backup plans for every one that might go wrong. Those gallows are looming ever closer - if we're the mafia, we clearly never made one, let alone all 16. Does that not strike you as a bit of an inconsistency of logic?

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

I appreciate you're probably sick of the bickering and the words and I appreciate also that you said your decision was set in stone but it looks like this is our last chance and just - maybe Raven sounds like she's telling the truth because she is telling the truth??
And you said it feels like Jai and Dugg are lying, too? Have a little faith in your subconscious D:

*goes back to the captivity harmonica*

Raven Astracae said...

I'm going to sleep now. I sincerely hope I do not wake up to a town that lost because we lynched a twin.
Your subconscious is screaming at you that I'm telling the truth, Goonies never say die and Raven never lies but sure. Ignore your gut. Lynch the townie.

But yeah, if Taia is lynched. Good job Jai and Dugg. Good game, well played. May we take your organised crime group down some other time.

Hopefully I'll see you on the other side Taia, hopefully the town wins.
Goodnight, my friend, my twin.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

Yes, hopefully the town does win and Star doesn't go back on her decision.

Okay, you said me and dug seem like we're lying right? I propose to you the thing that happens anytime anyone I know sees a cop. "Act natural." People who have never committed a crime in their entire lives over compensate and then end up acting suspicious (of course cops are used to this) whereas the criminals don't, hence how they get away with their crime. My friends haven't committed crimes but by trying to make that clear they make it seem like they're hiding something. The innocents seem suspicious and the criminals seem normal.

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

Dude. Neither Raven nor I are experienced @ being criminals - we've never been criminals before and we're not criminals now. Even if we were mafia, we wouldn't be experienced enough for it to feel natural - we'd have only had two nights on the job. We'd be a right violent bag of nerves.
(fun fact I once dreamed I stole a bra at a shopping park and I spent the next two waking days honestly scared that I was going to get caught. I was worried about being a dream shoplifter. So I know /I'd/ be a right bag of nerves, at least.)

The criminals who look comfortable strolling past a police officer are the ones who are 100% comfortable being a criminal and 100% confident they won't get found out.

Star Inkbright said...

Oh god idk now. XD

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

@Taia I didn't mean to make it sound like you were criminals, sorry. I was just trying to say me and Dug probably seem like we're lying because despite the fact we aren't lying we know that Star is trying to figure out who is lying.

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

I was about to comment and say that your time is up, but I just remembered that the blog time stamp and the time on my iPad are no longer the same time zone. Oops.

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

There's roughly two hours left I think Fabi?

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

Yup!

Also, I am getting notifications from my own comments and they are showing up in my sent folder as well. It's odd. I don't usually get messages in my sent folder when I comment on other people's blogs... I don't think?

Trying to figure out why I'm not being informed of Taia's presence here. 'Cause obviously she's here. [points to Taia's above comments]

Star Inkbright said...

Yeah, I just got home from school so we have a couple hours left, assuming my time is working the same as it was yesterday. :P Not long though. D:

I'm more uncertain now than I was yesterday, but I think if I'm uncertain I may as well stick with it.

Pondering though.

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

You've got a bit over an hour. The time stamp says 8:41 right now, and the clock ends around 10:00. I may not be online at that exact moment, but I've written up all possible outcomes (unless a possibly dying person would like to send me any specific last words to include)

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

That's cool, Jai. Sorry if I misunderstood. We're all just doing what we can, I figure.

I'm glad you're at least considering reconsidering, Star. It'd be cool if the town could win this one, after it's been so close. If there's anything you want to ask, I'll probably be here? You are a cop, I don't mind being questioned. :P

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

(Hm. I'm pretty sure I'm here, too. I don't get anything in my sent folder, though. Just wondering if anything happens if I click the robot thing, I haven't been doing that.)

Taia, Raisin, A Good Bear :) said...

(nah, that didn't work. So, um. Ignore me, sorry.)

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

10:00

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

5 minutes!

Silente Tempest (Jai) - St Of Sinners said...

I thought Fabi said it ends at 10?

Fabien(ne) Sauveterre said...

I said 10 ish. So yeah

Dugglyn Carzainia said...

Well, when she commented yesterday it was 10:08 :P